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Building Deeper Connections: Communication Strategies with Thomas Wurm

• Tabitha MacDonald • Episode 42

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Can you imagine transforming a life of relentless firefighting chaos into one of profound healing and entrepreneurship? Join us on this inspiring episode of the Mindful Love podcast as we welcome Thomas Wurm, a visionary healer with an extraordinary journey. Thomas opens up about his transition from battling wildfires to addressing personal trauma through alternative healing practices like acupuncture, Qigong, and Mental Emotional Release. Discover how these powerful modalities reshaped his life and offered him a pathway to profound inner peace and self-discovery.

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Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome. My name is Tabitha McDonald. I am the host of the Mindful Love podcast. I am so excited to have a very special guest today. Thomas Worm is a visionary healer and entrepreneur with a unique blend of experience in wildland, firefighting and alternative healing. As the founder of Mountain Mind Tricks, thomas has dedicated his life to helping others overcome anxiety and unlock their highest potential. A master practitioner in NLP hypnosis and mental and emotional release, thomas combines his expertise with ancient healing arts and Qigong to guide individuals on a path to speaking with authenticity. His transformative approach empowers participants to release fears, embrace their true voice and speak from the heart with confidence. Welcome, thomas. I am so grateful for your time and your energy today. Please tell my listeners a little bit about yourself and like how you got into this work.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thank you so much for having me and thank you to everybody listening. Yeah, for me, you know, I came from the wildland firefighting world. I worked for the Forest Service in the mountains fighting fires for 14 years and through that process it was an amazing job I found so many incredible, just experiences and found myself in just the most powerful places you know in the mountains and through that I found myself with post-traumatic stress. You know, I had a major event in 2015, losing somebody close to me, and this is really changed my life and it really put me in a dark space and I found my own healing. I found my own healing through acupuncture, through Qigong, through, you know, really the mental, emotional release was something that just absolutely changed my life, and so I'm so passionate about this work because I'm not totally sure I'd be here without these tools.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that is so inspiring. I know I work with people who have PTSD and severe trauma in my clinic. That's how I got into the mind-body integrative work and I think I love that you found alternative healing modalities as a way of really helping you find your, find your true self, like really right Step into who you are.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

The wounds make you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. Yeah, and now I feel like I've opened so many gifts and really stepping into who I am. Uh, I'm so much more than a firefighter, which is amazing.

Speaker 1:

So I'm going to give a little backstory about how Thomas and I became friends, because it is going to blow your mind and also help with the conversation around conscious communication that we're going to be talking about today. Thomas and I were at trainers training, which is an advanced training, helping individuals really embrace how would you describe it? Like it was such a unique experience. I don't feel like I could describe it the way that I used to.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I feel like trainers training is all about standing in your own light and being a presenter, being a leader, learning how to teach and direct energy in a way that is just you could change somebody's life with just the words and how you present something. That's really what they're teaching you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it was amazing and I was terrified to be there because I didn't know anyone and I was certain that my soul had made a mistake by telling me to go. And I was hell bent on proving it correct. And so the first day we were told to break out into groups and I wandered over and found myself in a group with five other people I didn't know and I was convinced that they hated me and I was just convinced that I wouldn't belong. And it was so funny Because they you were the focus for me and I don't know if I ever told you that, but I was like it's him, he hates me. I can see it in his eyes.

Speaker 1:

Day two, the um, dr Matt, says if you're not getting along with your group, it's not your group, it's you. And I was like was like that's bullshit. And then literally was like could it be me? I did all my release work and then I was like these people are amazing. Why did I not like them a minute ago? And so that was like how we became friends was. I went and I saw him like, oh, he hates me already. I'm going to put up a wall. And now I realized that was my shadow coming up and, you know, creating barriers to me having close friends and like people that I trusted.

Speaker 2:

So I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I would love for you to hear your perspective or how it was for you.

Speaker 2:

That's yes. I think you know stepping into trainer's training is. It's intense because all your baggage comes right to the surface. You're put in situations through the training to just really I mean right off the bat, you're presenting, you're presenting and just being in front of people, I mean the fear of public speaking is bigger in the world than the fear of death. So it's a lot. It's a lot, and for me it was. I do a ton of speaking and I did that. I mean I would instruct 40, 50 firefighters to go up on the hill and put out the fire, you know. So I've done a lot of speaking and I feel like it just really pushed my boundaries as well. It really did. And I also know you're not the first person to say that because I think my energy just sometimes brings up people's baggage, just my energy alone, because that's what I do creator?

Speaker 1:

yeah, if you say in one of your speeches? It was like my favorite. It was like I am the one who your baggage can't hide from. I don't remember what you said, but it was the best.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm the baggage, I'm the baggage hunter, that's for sure, that's what.

Speaker 1:

That's what you said I was like oh my gosh, you need to like have that be your new instagram tagline for like your handle the baggage hunter oh, I love it.

Speaker 2:

maybe I'll that I'm getting a guess.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it was amazing, like I would say. Like I'm like I wanted to be the smoking slayer, but now I'm like maybe it'll be the pain slayer, but like, okay, so overview, big picture, what we're going to talk about today why I invited Thomas on is we both share a passion for improving communication and to help people be more conscious in how they communicate with each other, and so we're going to talk about conscious communication today and also like what that means. So, thomas, what does that mean to you? How would you describe it to a friend?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, conscious communication. It's as if the energy from your mind is trickling down through your body and you're able to help somebody else see the picture in your mind so they can get on board, they can actually be in rapport, they can actually understand and in a way it is learning how to create the same neurons from your body to somebody else's body with just your words. Oh, I love that, yeah, is this up to do with like mirror neurons.

Speaker 2:

Exactly so. The pictures we're having in our mind, we can absolutely influence somebody else through our communication, to have mirror neurons.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, energetic, like fully aligned with your heart and not your wound, and that would explain it so often we are communicating from our wounding. We are not communicating from our heart.

Speaker 2:

So true, so true yeah.

Speaker 1:

I love it, Okay. So why does this matter? Why should people care? Other people don't do it. Why does it? What are all the cool kids on TikTok doing this? Why does this matter?

Speaker 2:

Well, I think in our world right now, communication is a huge problem. I mean it can be in your relationship, in your career and almost in every aspect of your life communication can show up as a problem. Just think about the simple things like washing the dishes and your partner right, like that's the thing that's going to kick off an argument. But that's not actually the problem. The problem is you didn't communicate about something last week or all week or the last year. You know what I mean. So these communication issues, they seem to like stack up and create huge problems yeah.

Speaker 1:

That's like not taking out the garbage every day and all of a sudden you're pissed that the entire kitchen is flooded with like moldy leftovers.

Speaker 2:

Right, right, right, absolutely. And. And these miscommunications, like you said earlier, it's it's some of it is because we're communicating from earlier. It's it's some of it is because we're communicating from, from our fear, or we're communicating from some space that's not an empowering state, and so it's all about how can you be empowered and actually speak your truth.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that. So, like, I think this word empowerment is thrown around a lot and I would love to simple. I love simplifying things for people. What does that actually mean? Like, I love it when we can take a word that is like a catchphrase and then like actually break it down and be like well, what does it fully mean to be empowered, Like? What does that mean?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, in my mind and I'm going to do a little pre-frame here is really, you know, highest self is the highest version of who we are in all realms, all possibilities, all timelines. Like this is the highest version of you in all aspects. When we can embody our highest self and just be that in the moment, that's empowerment.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I would also like to add that it's where we're not reacting. We're actually choosing who we're being.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1:

Somebody makes you mad and you're reacting from the past instead of choosing who you're being in the moment.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Yeah, it's about being present and being like again, being aware of who you really are yeah, who you really are.

Speaker 1:

Not who you're choosing to be, but who you really are like light, being, of being, of like, infinite wisdom and potential that's right I love that.

Speaker 1:

Okay, this is great. So, like, like, if we think about, like why, why this matters, like, where has poor communication impacted? Like work, maybe? Like let's talk about work for a moment, because I know, read an email and if I didn't like the person, I would be like look at what this person said and I would like read it in my voice of anger and then he would be like, is that really what the email said? Just like that. And then he would read it back to me in like different voices and I would get mad because he was right. And so I was thinking about that, like in this world of electronic communication and I mean it's not just work, right, like if you get a text message from your spouse and it's like, did you eat? Yet? You could hear it like, did you eat yet? Like, did you eat? Like there's so many different tones that you could read it in.

Speaker 2:

That's so true and it's such an amazing example, because I've had that experience so many times where you're reading the email and you're like, oh no, like this is really pissing me off. But then okay, wait like 10, 15 minutes, come back, do some breathing. Look at the email and it's just like what was I even upset about? Like I don't even this had nothing to do with the email. And actually, because your brain like I know my brain like it deleted the word distorted words, like generalized things. So all of a sudden it's like the communication just wasn't even clear, because I wasn't even open to accept the communication.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. Our emotional state when we're reading something has a lot to do with that, would you agree? Absolutely, yeah, our emotional state when we're reading something has a lot to do with that, would you agree?

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so like if we're reading something from a state of frustration or agitation. The words on the page, or the words even another person is saying to us, will carry that energy.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was just going to say even you know, let's go a little bit bigger picture. Instead of an email, it's just a conversation with, say, a friend, right, and you're in this emotional state. There's something going on your mind's maybe spinning about something else. You are actively deleting, distorting, generalizing things that person's saying and you're, if you're not active listening and not really present, there's no way you're going to understand what they're actually trying to communicate to you. You're going to create a story that's not real.

Speaker 1:

Can you get like for people who don't know what NLP is and don't know it delete, distort and generalize are? Can you explain like basic concept of what that means?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and NLP is a it's a horrible name, we'll just go over it quickly. Neuro-linguistic programming it's our nervous system, it's the language in our mind. So how language creates pictures in our mind and how those pictures create programs, patterns, habits, to tell a story, I think will help better explain this idea of deleting, generalizing, distorting. Is that experience when you're leaving the house but you can't find your keys, and now you're pissed and you're rushing. You're like I've looked everywhere, I've looked in the drawer. You're to the point where you're looking in drawers where you know the keys aren't there.

Speaker 1:

The camera in my house in the morning. Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2:

You're like, where the hell are my keys Right? And then you're something flips. You're like, okay, I'm just going to look one more time on the kitchen table and there they are. You've looked there a hundred times but you, your brain, actually deleted them. So this is a really good example of they were there the whole time, but you were in such a rush and such a state that you actually could not see them at a physical level. And so this is happening. You know, distorting would be like maybe you saw the keys, but they weren't the right keys, Right? You know what I mean. So in this metaphor, it's really when we get into that emotional state, or really all the time, we have to delete, distort and generalize things. It is an active part of our brain and our psychology and, just from a neuroscience level, it's how we put reality together. It's how we put reality together.

Speaker 1:

Reality is so overwhelming from an unconscious level that we have to delete, distort, generalize things to actually be coherent. That happens in communication all of the time, right? Like because if we're not listening actively and our mind is on a million other things like oh, I got to make dinner, I've got to get the kids to like basketball tonight and I have to do all of the laundry Like if that's the script running in your background, it's really hard to take in information that someone is saying to you because you can't really hear them. You're hearing the busyness, right, that the burdens of the good burdens and bad burdens, but, like, the responsibility is a better word of life.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. And I think it comes back to the foundation of like, active listening. Like, are you listening? Are you acting like you're listening? You know what I mean? That's, there's a huge difference from actually listening and, uh, acting like it, cause we do that, we all do that.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, I love that you said that, because I would say after I studied intuition and I would say like all my baggage popped out like a volcano erupting across the island of Hawaii, I had to study intuition and learning how to be intuitive requires presence, and everyone in my life after I went through that experience says I've never felt like you were present before, and now, when you're with me, like you're with me, like there's no, you're not anywhere else, you're really here. And it's interesting because they almost don't remember what it feels like to be the other way.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it really. You know this is a beautiful. You know transit, what, what? Yeah, what I want know this is a beautiful. You know transit, what, what? Yeah, what I want to say is an idea that comes from qigong we can talk about that on another podcast but an idea is that we always start with the body, because the mind and the emotions can be anywhere, it can be in different times in different space, like the mind and emotions are all over the place, but if we start with the body, now we're in the present. Just a really cool idea.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I have not known that about Qigong, but that makes sense to me as a body worker, especially because that's usually people will come in with a manifestation of not being present, through pain or autoimmune disorders or other, you know, diseases that have been untreatable and traditional paths. So I love that love it um.

Speaker 1:

So I, what we're, we, thomas and I decided that we really wanted to discuss um a little bit of information that would help everybody today walk away with a better understanding of how we take in communication and then giving you some really practical tips at the end so that you can incorporate them right now, like you don't have to wait and take our conscious communication class, you can just like actually implement them while you're on this call. So we we're gonna start with a little bit of education around what, like what are the important things to know about communication, thomas?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I think it really starts with uh, something in in, uh, in psychology we call rapport, and and this would be the foundation and transitioning beautifully from starting with the body Like let's start with the physiology, because if we really break down communication, only about 7% of communication is our words. Isn't that amazing? Like what we're actually saying, the specific words don't actually matter that much. And then about 30% somewhere around there is our tonality, so the way you say it, and then about 55% is actually your physiology. So this is such a mind blowing.

Speaker 2:

When I heard this I was like what? I don't get it and we have to go beyond that. It's not the words that are important, it's the pictures in our mind that's important. And the way we actually communicate in a way that's coherent and conscious is that we are aware of the mind, like the picture that's in my mind. I want to have the other person have that same picture. How do I get there? First, we've got to build rapport with the body. So one of those ways is really matching and mirroring their body. Like, maybe, if they have their legs crossed, cross their legs, you know, look at your own posture If your arms are crossed and you've got this kind of closed off posture. They're not going to be open to you, so it's all about matching and mirroring their actual physiology, which is a huge. It will change everything.

Speaker 1:

I love that for in-person stuff, especially people who work with human beings, which is one of us with human beings, which is us um, like when I have a new client come in, I start with rapport, like, especially if they're in a trauma state or they don't have a lot of um, uh, they don't. They don't trust easily and they're there because they're them and they know that they need to see me. I immediately start with, like mirroring and matching their tonality, their language patterns, their body language, their sitting, and I wait until I see if I make a movement, do they follow me? And then I know that rapport and trust has been built.

Speaker 2:

Beautiful, and you know we call that leading and pacing. It's really building rapport with your body and then seeing, okay, let's uncross the legs and see if they do it too. And now you're in. Now we can start exchanging, um, you know, really, at this point you've got some mirror neurons going and you can start communicating not just with words but with your mind too. So what's so amazing is is, like you just said, the tonality too, Like if somebody's kind of a slow talker and you come at them really fast, like you're going to break rapport and they're not going to listen to anything you're saying, Like you've got to match that, the slow pace, the really you know deeper tone, to really match them Totally ways of talking. Maybe it's not your style, right, it will change it, it will change that okay.

Speaker 1:

So I love that you said that like you have to, because I know a lot of people are probably like why should I have to? And so that was just what came into my head, because I remember like when I went to like an al-anon meeting, I was like why do I have to be here? I'm not the one with the drinking problem. And so the question is like why should we take responsibility for this in communication?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think it really comes back to any resistance to what you're saying is a sign of it's a lack of rapport. That's all it is Like. If you're in rapport, they're going to listen to you, be on board, and they're gonna be. They might not be in agreement with everything you're saying, but they're open, right, and so if there's any resistance it's, it's just not. There's not enough rapport yet right.

Speaker 1:

It's like it's creating an openness for conversation because, like how many times do we just get locked in with another human being and we're not listening and we can't hear because we're inner wounding and if one of us in the conversation has to decide that we want the conversation to just end well yeah it's end well.

Speaker 1:

It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, it just has to end well yeah I think that rapport building is a way of saying you know what I'm actually in the end result of. I want this conversation to have a positive outcome for both of us.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Like, yeah. Have you ever met somebody where, like you have a conversation with them, it's so intriguing and inspiring? You're just like, you're so drawn into this person and you're just your mind just kind of goes blank and you're just listening because you're just enthralled with what they're saying. Like that's rapport, that is rapport and that's how that's our goal for communicating in everything in our career, relationships with our kids, with our family. Like we want to have that feeling of like. Oh, my God, I really want to listen to this person.

Speaker 1:

I love that you said that because, like I think people don't know how to communicate with their teenagers.

Speaker 1:

I love talking to teenagers because I can build rapport with them so quickly by changing the cadence of my voice and like asking them a couple of questions and I totally match their, their body, but like up a level so that they know I'm not trying to be a teenager.

Speaker 1:

Like you know, when I'm making fun of my son and I call him bra all the time, that's what he calls me Like. That's like that's what I'm talking about. I mean like where I can like go just a little bit above where they're at, so they know I'm not trying to like imposter my way into the teenageness, but like where I can communicate with them and they know that I get them and I like will match their body posture. My son's very like slow and methodical and if I go in like my true energetic self, he's like I can't hear you. So I have to be like him when I'm talking to him and I love it because then he opens up and he tells me things that I think a lot of parents don't have in their communication with their teenagers. Like I mean, I get the good stuff, because I can, like, do this thing that we're talking about right now, which is building rapport, without being consciously aware of it, cause it's just part of my makeup now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I think you hit on something that's so important and this is, you know, one of the reasons why I see so many firefighters in my practice is there's actually a language barrier, and I think there's a thing from even from a parent to a teenager, there's actually a language barrier, like the yes, we speak the same language, but it's more, like you just said, the key words like bro, like there's so many, there's so many words that, like, what does that even mean? Right up with those words, it people, they feel like, oh, you get me, like, oh, my god, like I can talk to you now. It's so amazing. Just use their and you hear it in their conversation. Pick up a couple words like, oh, that's so beautiful.

Speaker 1:

like you know, use that word you knew I was gonna bring up that example, didn't you? Thomas is the genius at this third day, our last day of trainers, training our facilitator, or the, the person who was?

Speaker 2:

evaluating evaluating.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, um, I went first, bombed it. I was sitting in there stewing in my own garbage and, uh, thomas, like he gets up, and he changed his entire presentation and started mirroring her language and I was like that freaking genius oh my god, he's a genius. I think that was the moment I knew we needed to teach communication together yeah, and that's uh.

Speaker 2:

I heard, yeah, I heard her use the word beautiful so many times like, I'm okay, I'm gonna pick up on that, and it's just so. When we have the physiology rapport, we have the tone and we start using some key words, people are like talk to me, what's going on, talk to me, goose, you know what I mean. It's like yeah, right, you get me.

Speaker 1:

Draw them in. You get me. You get my language right. If you go to a foreign country and you try to speak their language, even if you do the best you can're, it's like they appreciate it that, that you get them and that you take the time to understand them.

Speaker 2:

It matters it does.

Speaker 1:

it does, yeah, especially in communication, because people want to feel heard, they want to feel seen, they want to feel, um, validated, right, and when we don't take the time to pay attention to what they're doing or how they're communicating, we're not really listening, we're not hearing them. And we all love to just be heard.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

I mean we all love to simply be heard.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yeah, and you know, I think part of this is absolutely building rapport your tonality and words with other people, and it does start with listening to yourself oh, I love that. Tell me more yeah, it's really like if we say, like I really want this in my life, but then you do something else, like now you're creating this, this miscommunication within yourself, and that's going to show up in everything else you're doing oh, I love it.

Speaker 1:

Self-conscious communication, I'm gonna. I'm in your way. How do we congruent your words to yourself?

Speaker 2:

Yeah powerful.

Speaker 1:

That's really powerful. We will talk about that on our next episode because I believe Thomas and I have a lot more to discuss together and also we're very excited to be doing a beta launch of our new conscious communication class. It's a two-day seminar. We're putting it together, so we're actually asking for a small group of people who are interested in giving us some feedback and learning a lot of the principles of conscious communication and, more importantly, very powerful tools for mind, body, soul, integration of how you communicate with others, and we're still working on all of the messaging and copying a copy. But this is this is basically our intention is to help people become more empowered communicators in all areas of their life.

Speaker 1:

And we're excited to co create this with each other and bring it into the world. Yeah, so beautiful.

Speaker 2:

And you know I feel like we're laying some beautiful foundation. It's and you know I feel like we're laying some beautiful foundation. It's really about you know how can we communicate with ourselves, with other people, with the things around us? And at a certain level, it is about communicating with consciousness.

Speaker 1:

Definitely yeah, and I love that because I think that our communication blocks intuition and it's the voice in our head that says, you know, don't trust the voice in your head like it's the voice of fear and doubt and um worry that blocks, like intuition from coming in and so vacation truly is the foundation of accurate intuition.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and I can tell you, intuition literally saved my life a thousand times firefighting. There'd be times where it was they told you go down this road and it's just like nope, I'm not driving down there. There's no, I don't know why, but I'm not going down there, and some spiritual stuff would happen and that whole cannon would blow out. Like I told you not to go down there, like, okay, now I'm gonna listen that is powerful and I have full body shivers like that is powerful.

Speaker 1:

That is the power of like, listening to and trusting your intuition yeah, absolutely that's like heroic I think we all want that in our life. We do, don't we? We all want to make an impact and be someone's hero, and like what an amazing thing that your crew had you on board to listen to your intuition and lead them out of danger. That's yeah. Thank you for your service.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. Thank you, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1:

Well, today was great, I think, if I was to offer a key takeaway from today how we can use our body to build trust with people, to help us have clearer communication from a loving and compassionate place, not from our wounding Love.

Speaker 2:

That I love, that Great compassionate place not from our wounding Love that I love that Great.

Speaker 1:

And then if you would like to find out more about Thomas and the work he does, how do they find you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you can find me on mountainmindtrickscom and also mountainmindtricks on Instagram and I have my own podcast, mountain Mind Tricks Podcast, and I also have a tricks on Instagram and I have my own podcast, mountain mind tricks podcast, and I also have a book on Amazon.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, seven ways to medicine and yeah. So those are all the good stuff. And he also has a meditation pack on Spotify. I will put the link in the show notes. It is so good, I love it, and right before we did our final or first presentations, I was listening to it and I felt such as a sense of calm and just like energy, of just connectedness to source, and it was so powerful. So I'm going to put that link in my show notes so that you have the link to Spotify as well. Great, great meditation album.

Speaker 2:

Awesome, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Okay, well, thank you, thomas, I'm so excited and I will also put a registration link If you're interested in being in our beta class to give us feedback on our first run with our conscious communication class. That's going to be in person in the portland area, so I will put that link in as well and, um, just thank you so much for coming today. I'm so grateful that I intuitively wandered over to your group and that I my intuition, told me to stick with you for the entire time, because I just feel like you've been such a blessing in my life and though just the knowledge and just the respect I have for you and the life that you've lived and where you're taking it now and how you're really truly like, taking your, your purpose and bringing it into the world fearlessly, I just really have so much respect for you as a human being and, um, your path and your journey, and I love your fire. Stories Like there's I got to listen to two solid weeks best stories ever. I can't wait to have more of them on my podcast.

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's great. Uh, I appreciate everything you just said Really on my podcast. Oh, that's great. I appreciate everything you just said Really beautiful words. Thank you very much. I'm so happy to be here and I'm excited for us to talk more, because we have a lot to share with you all.

Speaker 1:

Definitely. Thank you and everyone have a beautiful, beautiful day.

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